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Three Majors

@Fyunck(click): The "UR" that I used in that table means "Unknown Result", which I used to describe players whose results in those tournaments couldn't be found (whenever they lost at the QF, SF, 3R, etc, I couldn't find their results and/or draws), or is unknown even if they took part of the competition or not. Or we find the Roland-Garros and US Open results somewhere, or it would be wise to include "UR" in the Key. ABC paulista (talk) 20:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I put a note under the table. I'm not sure the key needs being altered as I've not come across a need in the past. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Further Grand Slam info

  • I am about to edit the Non-calendar year Grand Slam section based on a) research (specifically, a review of Paul Fein's Tennis Confidential)and b) personal correspondence with the ITF's Communications department. I will copy their letter to me in full here (minus the salutations & personal pleasantries), for all who are curious. In sum, the ITF never intended to change the traditional definition of a Grand Slam in 1982; rather, this has been a decades-long misunderstanding perpetuated by members of the tennis media--some of whom did, in fact, vote in their professional organizations to change the definition. Sadly, the like2do.com resource entry has contributed to this confusion. Hopefully, that ends now.

"I should start by pointing out that information on the Grand Slam in the ITF Constitution has always been as an Appendix, so information rather than rule or regulation (ie Article or Bye-law). Separately under Bye-laws, Grand Slam tournaments are listed as Official Tennis Championships of the ITF together with what this entails.

The amount of information on the Grand Slam included as an Appendix in the ITF Constitution has varied over the years, but in 2011 the ITF Constitutional Committee determined that the existing wording in the Constitution left ambiguity so proposed the current text as clarification, starting with the 2012 ITF Constitution.

I can confirm that Navratilova was the only player to receive a $1 million bonus for winning four consecutive majors." This is an email from Nick Imison of the ITF (dated 12/12/2016). -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.15.192.246 (talk) 00:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

That would be inadmissible original research. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • That's fine; I didn't end up needing to cite the ITF statement. You obviously don't need my permission to look over & edit the changes I made to the section, including a new sub-heading, "Controversy over terminology." I probably included too much information &/or quotations about the 1980s controversy, but I figured it was better to be thorough on a first go and let someone else trim as he/she sees fit.

NCGS vs. CGS

@Fyunck(click): I strongly disagree with your editing about the ones that achieved a Non-calendar year Grand Slam (NCGS). I believe that only the ones who did that without achieving a Calendar Grand Slam (CGS) should be added here. First, on the table that shows the ones that achieved a CGS there's already these streaks info, so there is no need to present this info again. Second, this section is about Non-calendar year Grand Slam chievers, not Slam wins' streaks. Third, adding them can cause some confusion for the reader about their differences and definitions, mantaining them separed would help consolidating their definitions better. Fourth, a CGS is a more noteworthy and coveted achievement than NCGS for many people, so in cases where both are acheived the NCGS one shoud be secondary. Fifth, how should the NCGS be counted? A streak should count as one NCGS regardless the amount of slam wins in a row, or from four titles and beyond a new one should also count as a additional NCGS? Should a CGS also be counted as a NCGS? Adding them would raise these questions and others.

Also @Fyunck(click):, you were very inconsistent with your additons: Why you only added Budge, Court and Collonly? What about Graf's 1988-89 5-Slam streak? What about the doubles ones? Why you didn't added everyone that was on the Grand Slam Winners' table? This kind of inconsistency is very misleading and plain wrong. ABC paulista (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you wouldn't have all players that won a NCGS. The section says nothing about limiting it. There is also very misleading writing in the sentence "On the men's side, Novak Djokovic is the only singles player to accomplish the non-calendar year Grand Slam during the Open Era, winning all four majors between Wimbledon 2015 and the 2016 French Open." That really makes it sound like he completed something no one else had, when Laver did it even better in the Open Era. It's very fuzzy sounding to me. It's like saying "John is the only player in history to win 2 consecutive marbles titles", when 37 other players have won 8,9, and 10 in a row. And if this isn't about the number they won in a row, then we need to remove the extra sentences about how many each player won in a row and only list the events that completed their non-calendar slam. It also needs to clearly say that this list excludes all those whose non-calendar Grand Slams overlap a Grand Slam. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I went with your logic but made it crystal clear what this list is for, while also toning down the Djokovic acheivement. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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